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Brandon the great
alliedsofttissue
alliedsofttissue
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Location: Victoria
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RE: Brandon the great
Wed, Jul 06 2016 12:40 AM

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BrandonRaynor
Joined: Sun, Jan 20 2013
Posts: 6
RE: Brandon the great
Mon, Feb 09 2015 6:22 PM



I am horrified by the "techniques" you "demonstrate" on your YouTube videos:
1.People screaming in agony whilst having their necks cracked ~ A massage therapist is NEVER supposed to perform high velocity low amplitude spinal thrusts (cracks).
2. Using pressure points on the ankle of a pregnant women ~ That's a reflex point on the uterus and vagina and can cause miscarriage!
3. Walking on clients backs!
4. Staring away tension. ~ WTF?


Wow you make so much stuff up. First of all you claim we have been run out of Canada by the monopolistic massage organizations such as the CMTo. 10 years after the initial posts we are still teaching in Canada.
Then you claim that we have people screaming while there necks are cracked. - what a load of nonsense. Nobody is screaming because there necks are cracked. People have emotional relesases and let out anger and sadness but no they never scream while they have their necks cracked.. And no we never talk about staring away tension.

Your attacks upon me and Raynor massage emrely show the complete lack of professionalism and commitment to truth that people like you, display.

Your philosophy is to just lie and try and hope that if you throw wnough mud at a political opponent who is campaigning for freedom of choice in the health care field, that maybe some of it will stick


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BrandonRaynor
Joined: Sun, Jan 20 2013
Posts: 6 RE: Brandon the great
Mon, Feb 09 2015 6:17 PM

Lola Wrote:
BrandonRaynor Wrote:
I am not facing a criminal sentence nor would I ever be deported as I hold Canadian as well as Australian citizenship. You guys are just making stuff up in your heads. No, we have challenged the Canadian massage industry by proving that they are ripping people off by not teaching high quality massage for the money and time people pay and they are, like any other big monopoly that is trying to be in cahoots with the government, inefficient and ripping people off.
Enough said


You're an embarrassment and you give our profession a bad name. And the only reason you've come to Australia is because the CMTO successfully sued you and shut you down (In BC, NS, and ONT) because your school did not meet the Canadian national standard for massage education. You are also not allowed to "teach" in Alberta, but I see you are still advertising your school there...

I am an Ontario trained massage therapist. My course was 2 years (2500 hours). Your course is 10 days. I would like to know how you can justify your training to the one I received. Even if your students worked day and night for ten days, without any breaks, they would still only have completed 240 hours compared to the 2500 hours I completed.

There is no way that without the proper training of anatomy and physiology that a therapist can effectively and safely treat their clients.
Do medical practitioners actually feel comfortable referring patients who are acutely injured to you or your "graduates"? Do professional level athletes allow you to touch their bodies? Are your students taught orthopedic assessment so that they can understand the actual biomechanics of the injury? Since you claim on your website that learning "anatomical jargon" is awaste of time, I am guessing the answer is a big fat NO.

I am horrified by the "techniques" you "demonstrate" on your YouTube videos:
1.People screaming in agony whilst having their necks cracked ~ A massage therapist is NEVER supposed to perform high velocity low amplitude spinal thrusts (cracks).
2. Using pressure points on the ankle of a pregnant women ~ That's a reflex point on the uterus and vagina and can cause miscarriage!
3. Walking on clients backs!
4. Staring away tension. ~ WTF?

The course you offer is unprofessional and dangerous and shows those of us that have acquired extensive training in a bad light. You have no concern for either your students or your clients. You just want money. But your days are numbered here Brandon, and if Consumer Affairs doesn't shut you down, the RTO eventually will.
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Lola
Joined: Mon, Mar 14 2011
Posts: 27 RE: Brandon the great
Wed, Jan 23 2013 5:48 PM

BrandonRaynor Wrote:
I am not facing a criminal sentence nor would I ever be deported as I hold Canadian as well as Australian citizenship. You guys are just making stuff up in your heads. No, we have challenged the Canadian massage industry by proving that they are ripping people off by not teaching high quality massage for the money and time people pay and they are, like any other big monopoly that is trying to be in cahoots with the government, inefficient and ripping people off.
Enough said


You're an embarrassment and you give our profession a bad name. And the only reason you've come to Australia is because the CMTO successfully sued you and shut you down (In BC, NS, and ONT) because your school did not meet the Canadian national standard for massage education. You are also not allowed to "teach" in Alberta, but I see you are still advertising your school there...

I am an Ontario trained massage therapist. My course was 2 years (2500 hours). Your course is 10 days. I would like to know how you can justify your training to the one I received. Even if your students worked day and night for ten days, without any breaks, they would still only have completed 240 hours compared to the 2500 hours I completed.

There is no way that without the proper training of anatomy and physiology that a therapist can effectively and safely treat their clients.
Do medical practitioners actually feel comfortable referring patients who are acutely injured to you or your "graduates"? Do professional level athletes allow you to touch their bodies? Are your students taught orthopedic assessment so that they can understand the actual biomechanics of the injury? Since you claim on your website that learning "anatomical jargon" is awaste of time, I am guessing the answer is a big fat NO.

I am horrified by the "techniques" you "demonstrate" on your YouTube videos:
1.People screaming in agony whilst having their necks cracked ~ A massage therapist is NEVER supposed to perform high velocity low amplitude spinal thrusts (cracks).
2. Using pressure points on the ankle of a pregnant women ~ That's a reflex point on the uterus and vagina and can cause miscarriage!
3. Walking on clients backs!
4. Staring away tension. ~ WTF?

The course you offer is unprofessional and dangerous and shows those of us that have acquired extensive training in a bad light. You have no concern for either your students or your clients. You just want money. But your days are numbered here Brandon, and if Consumer Affairs doesn't shut you down, the RTO eventually will.
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Euripades
Euripades
Joined: Tue, Nov 15 2005
Posts: 127 RE: Brandon the great
Sun, Jan 20 2013 11:15 PM

Congratulations we have a winner! Seven spam links, in four posts, in less than 45 minutes.

This is part of the issue BR. Failing to grasp "due process" and appropriate behavior in situational settings. Most administrators would block anyone who joins a website, and then, within minutes of joining, spams that site with 7 (self-serving) links. The advertising links to your courses do what exactly? Is anyone better off for you adding those? At best, you benefit with a couple of back links from an authority site, to your sites. It's a cheap, tacky way to get people to your site. Whether it's stomping on someone else's website or stomping all over an entire profession... there is protocols, rules, social and professional expectations.

I know the admins at http://www.softtissuetherapy.com.au and believe that they have not blocked you for your spamming, so....... you can either prove all of us wrong, or to allow you to dig a deeper hole for yourself and confirm what many believe to be true.

But, how does this tie in with what many believe to be, very short massage courses? How does this tie in with adding YouTube video clips demonstrating "Deep Massage for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder" - have the psychologists given up on treating this and put it on the massage agenda? or "Blind massage. Brandon Raynor working on his first blind student" - special techniques for blind people now? or performing HVTs on students - what's the point of that?

Well, you can take your hat off for your marketing and business skills. This gets people's attention, no doubt. It's extreme and it's controversial.

But, running workshops that are 5 or 10, even 30 days short, is completely out of step with what most experienced therapists deem to be an adequate amount of time to grasp the skills, nuances, and experience of a 'competent therapist' - this is hobby level, at best.

But what is a competent therapist? Well, the guidelines we have at present are the Health Training Package (HTP). The competencies at Cert IV and Diploma level are regarded as the minimum level of training for therapists need to act in safe and effective manner - this is for the protection of the community and so that the members of the community can expect that a therapist has a certain level of understanding and training. The HTP is not perfect, like the Law, but, we still abide by it and seek to work with it, to improve it. If we all ignored it because it didn't fit with our own choices, we have a problem.

Now, if a course is not seeking to teach to the HTP, then why would it issue certification that appears to reflect that it is teaching to an 'official standard' and uses the nomenclature of Australian Qualifications Framework (AQF).

If you believe that the 'system' and the HTP, and RTOs are a load of rubbish, then discard it - you are not obliged to comply with it, but, if you discard the 'system'... discard all of it. When providers and colleges 'cherry pick' the good parts of 'systems', it undermines those who seek to comply wholly with that system. The issuance of 'Diplomas' and 'Certificates' implies that you are in fact in sync and 'agree with' the 'system' - the AQF - you are playing the game, so to speak. Why not issue a Certificate of Attendance or Certificate of Completion. See the AQF identifies the levels of education required to issue specific qualifications.

We have seen your students. They go to RTO Colleges to obtain RPL, so that they can become eligible providers to Health Funds, so their clients can obtain rebates. I cannot speak for all of your past students, but, I can say that the ones I have assessed (around 10-12), as part of an RPL process, needed a substantial amount more training to be issued an RTO level Cert IV or Diploma. I note too, that this has been over many years.

Like many who have not attended your courses, I'd have it at a guess that it has been a while since you took any ongoing education courses in accordance with the competencies outlined in the Health Training Package. Have you sat in on any CIT or RMIT courses recently? I think that you would be surprised at what is being taught in order to comply with the Health Training Package competencies. I do note that you now have an articulation process to get these qualifications.

Many providers teach to the HTP specifications. Some do it well, some not so well. But, the thing is that they hold themselves accountable to those standards. They are seeking to march forward with the profession towards a better, overall profession.

What others do - including you and I - is not necessarily right or wrong, but, may be incongruent with what the majority in this profession is seeking to achieve.

This is simply a point of view. Perhaps you have not had this explained to you before, I don't know. Your stuff is "out there" in terms the compliance required to satisfy the evidence-based climate we are now in....

From my experience, you will find that most people on this forum are respectful when they understand where you are coming from. Try to hoodwink them, diss them, or disrespect the profession that they are attempting to build to greater heights, then, they will happily chew on your bones.

Thank you for joining the discussion.


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Sanchez
Joined: Thu, Sep 14 2006
Posts: 62 RE: Brandon the great
Sun, Jan 20 2013 10:32 PM

They are ripping people off Brandon? Really?
Have you actually had a look at what 'they' offer in comparison to what you offer mate? My maths aint great but I can do simple addition. Dollars per hour you charge insanely more than most courses I can see. So how is it you think 'they' are ripping people off and you aren't? I think you have your maths wrong mate.

I'm not one for socialist views on education but your attitude towards the profession of massage is totally out of synch with the rest of us. Your random massage protocol reminds me of someone who has never trained and has forgotten what to do next so just makes it up. In saying that, I actually like getting that sort of work done on the odd occasion. But please, don't promote that you teach better than the rest of the profession. That's just plain arrogance.

And remind me, if I want to upgrade my qualifications after completing your extensive 5 day course (in comparison to the 1200 hr course I did), do other fraternities accept your modules? Oh that's right, you don't have modules. In fact, you don't follow any of the Australian MINIMUM standards. Minimum standards agreed to by the ENTIRE PROFESSION Brandon. How is it that 25000 are all wrong and you are right? Amazing.


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Me
Me
Joined: Wed, May 9 2007
Location: Mildura
Posts: 211 RE: Brandon the great
Sun, Jan 20 2013 5:55 PM

Thanks for joining the debate Brandon.

Interestingly, I watched a few of your videos to see what the issue was. Your techniques don't look any different to a standard certIV in OZ .Although you do seem to wonder around the body without any real objective, but in saying that, relaxation massage often does that and as I understand it, can have affective outcomes. Your protocol however is certainly no where near a diploma level where techniques are based around objective findings in a full assessment (something I'm sure even you will admit that you don't teach). I guess this is where the profession gets confused with your promotional suggestions.

We have two distinct vocations in the profession - relax and remedial. My opinion is that you teach relaxation but suggest otherwise. Plus the energy stuff isn't a part of remedial. It isn't even part of our profession. It belongs in the energy healing profession. A completely different area of study and understanding. Understanding, the key word here. I don't think you can possibly argue that your graduates could have even a fundamental understanding of what they are trying to achieve when applying your quite random techniques?

Good luck to you. But please, respect the efforts of the profession to build its reputation as a respectable and worthy additon to the medical fraternity. Depleting basic learning modules won't do that.


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BrandonRaynor
Joined: Sun, Jan 20 2013
Posts: 6 RE: Brandon the great
Sun, Jan 20 2013 4:21 PM

I am not facing a criminal sentence nor would I ever be deported as I hold Canadian as well as Australian citizenship. You guys are just making stuff up in your heads. No, we have challenged the Canadian massage industry by proving that they are ripping people off by not teaching high quality massage for the money and time people pay and they are, like any other big monopoly that is trying to be in cahoots with the government, inefficient and ripping people off.
Enough said


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BrandonRaynor
Joined: Sun, Jan 20 2013
Posts: 6 RE: Brandon the great
Sun, Jan 20 2013 4:17 PM

Oh and by the way we were never "run out of Canada "as you say
We have been teaching there since 2003 and we continue to do so.
Look at our website http://www.raynormassage.com/upcoming-massage-courses/canada-massage-courses/


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BrandonRaynor
Joined: Sun, Jan 20 2013
Posts: 6 RE: Brandon the great
Sun, Jan 20 2013 2:42 PM

http://'http://www.raynormassage.com or http://www.massage-courses-brisbane.com.au orhttp://www.massage-courses-perth.com.au or http://www.massage-courses-melbourne.com.au


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